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Twin BBF turbine sizing

Discussion in 'Turbo Tech Questions' started by blue-boost, Feb 16, 2020.

  1. blue-boost

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    Looking for some information about sizing twins on a BBF engine, 540cid. Drag only, looking for about 1,200hp. My initial thought are a pair of T4 based S475's or S480's. Using the 74/83mm turbine wheel. Want some room to grow when the new engine is done, 1,500ish HP.
     
  2. Mnlx

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    How much na hp? There are a few here that have run twin T6 475/1.32's on similar cid. I would consider those or maybe the same turbo with the T6 1.10 ar on the 96mm turbine wheel.
     
  3. blue-boost

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    N/A HP is around 800. Made 1,130hp on a 325 shot .
     
  4. blue-boost

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    That is with an N/A cam, not a dedicated nitrous cam.
     
  5. Mnlx

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    Yeah, T6 S475, 96mm 1.32. Assuming you have a brake.
     
  6. blue-boost

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    A turbo shop recommended twin 80's, in a T4 platform, with the 88/96mm wheel. Is this primarily for space savings? I'll admit, twins on a BBF is a little out of my realm as far as sizing goes.
     
  7. Mnlx

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    The T4 housing is slightly smaller and is setup for a 4" dp. Other than that i see no real advantage.
     
  8. Mnlx

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    Think of it as 2 350-400 hp engines.... a S475 or 80 is quite common on something like that.
     
  9. blue-boost

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    That's kinda what I figured about a T4. I was thinking about it on a cubic inch basis, not a HP basis. Makes 100% sense though, 75's and 80's are common place on engines in that 350-400 hp range. Thanks again.
     
  10. Mnlx

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    Ive run a T6 S465 on a stockish 5.0 ho, and it worked great. I think the T4 vs T6 thing is much less of a factor than many make it out to be. I personally wouldn't run a T4 on a 475 sized turbo unless it was strictly a space thing.
     
  11. blue-boost

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    And it may come down to space being a factor. It's a BBF in an unmolested foxbody engine bay. Now add twins, downpipes, and class rules mandate exhaust dumps no farther forward than the back of the door line.
     
  12. Disney Lincoln

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    For twins I just divide by two. 540/2=270. So what size turbo would you use on a 270" motor making 400hp? I think a 7675 or S475?? But ideally, i'd call Jose or someone really turbo smart and go with what they say.

    Your goals seem really soft. Any reason for that? 800N/A would be 1600 at 14.7#. You're thinking just like 9-10# max?
     
  13. blue-boost

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    Not my car, just a friends. the hp goal is a somewhat safe zone for the current parts. Future setup will be higher power. Jose recommended 80's with a 88/96 turbine wheel, but in a T4. Seems like lots of 500"+ BBC guys get along rather well with a pair of T6 S475's.
     
  14. Disney Lincoln

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    Under no circumstances would I deviate from what Jose tells me to do.
     
  15. blue-boost

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    So as not to question Jose, what benefit is there to running an 88/96 wheel in a T4 frame 1.25 a/r vs a T6 with a 1.32? I only ask so I might learn something. Thanks.
     
  16. Disney Lincoln

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    Drive force on the compressor. Back pressure will change. The smaller A/R should spool faster. T4 reduces volume and therefore should spool faster. Jose is smart so that will make it spool faster.
     
  17. blue-boost

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    Got it. Not sure why my brain is temporarily stuck on the notion that flange size is the deciding factor, and not scroll volume. A T4 1.0 a/r moving across a 96mm wheel will have more exhaust velocity than a T6 1.0 a/r moving across the same 96mm wheel, correct?
     
  18. Disney Lincoln

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    That's the general idea, yes. "They" say to always fit the biggest flange you can, but "they" aint always right.
     
  19. Mnlx

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    Jose definitely knows his stuff. I would be very interested in knowing why the 1.25 T4 over the 1.10, or 1.32 T6.
     
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