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Would i benefit with an f-cam over this custom cam?

Discussion in 'Turbo Tech Questions' started by nyctony, Sep 10, 2013.

  1. nyctony

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    I have a 93 fox stock block with ported 185cc heads ported victor 5.0 efi, bs3, fb aode w/ protorque revolution converter (lock/unlock converter), b&g kit with a mpt70. it put down 450rwhp/450rwtq with an unlocked converter.
    my cam specs are
    Intake Exhaust


    Lobe Lift: .378' .373'

    Gross Valve Lift 1.60 Ratio: .605' .598'

    Duration @ .050' Tappet Lift: 224* 230*

    Lobe Separation: 112*

    Recommended Intake Centerline: 109*

    Specs at 109 Degree Intake Centerline:

    Valve Timing at Open Close

    .050' Tappet Lift: Intake: 3* BTDC 41* ABDC

    Exhaust: 50* BBDC 1* ATDC

    my question is would i benefit with a f-cam over this custom cam.. i know peak numbers may not be that far off however will the powerband be better?

    also a side question i noticed many 5.0 turbos have some crazy high torq numbers compared to their hp... any reason for this?
     
  2. jridenour31

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    Yes. That small turbine won't like a cam with that much overlap.

    As far as the torque numbers, they make all their power at a low engine speed. If peak power was pushed out farther, hp would be higher and more in line with the torque.
     
  3. nyctony

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    Is it worth it to upgrade the turbo to a mpt76 and drop an f cam in?

    What am I looking at as far as a change?
     
  4. Gen1SVE

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    Not if it is a P trim turbine, it would be the same turbine as your mp70. If it was a Q trim it would be a little better. You want a S-trim turbine found in a Precision 72-78GTS, Garrett GT42, S400 with the small 83mm turbine, or similar. Then your stock block is on borrowed time, even though it is on borrowed time with the mp70.
     
  5. nyctony

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    So f the turbo swap and do the f cam...

    Just curious why the custom cam I have is inferior to the f cam....

    And what kind of characteristics are granted from using the f cam over this custom.

    Thank you for the replies!
     
  6. Drac0nic

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    I believe he is saying swap the turbo not the cam, because the turbine is restrictive to the heads and cam you are running.
     
  7. nyctony

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    I got that gist however, is he saying I should change the cam as well or just stick a bigger turbo on with the current cam?
     
  8. Gen1SVE

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    Do the bigger turbo first. When you upgrade the block put a turbo friendly can in it.

    If you are bored and have the F- cam sitting there put it in when you put the larger turbo on.
     
  9. nyctony

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    Does it pay to upgrade the turbo? For one thing a f cam swap will be much cheaper. On another note I can't find any used turbines for cheap either.

    Why would you still use the f cam if I moved to a bigger turbo?
    Sorry for all the questions just trying to make efficient upgrades and learn. Thanks for all the help guys.
     
  10. Gen1SVE

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    With your current combo, the block is the limiting factor, The F cam will work better than the cam you have. The F cam has made 1000hp on a built 306 with a large frame 88mm turbo. The Cam and turbo go hand in hand.

    The F cam will work better than your custom cam in your current combination.
     
  11. nyctony

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  12. Gen1SVE

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    That is a great turbo for your combination and will work on a built engine with more cid.. I would use it on a street car up to 350cid, below 6000rpm.
     
  13. nyctony

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    Just for some clarification. Would this change alter my power band or only peak numbers.
     
  14. RyanMayo

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    It will spool slightly worse, but breath much better on the top end. 100% worth it in my opinion.
     
  15. Gen1SVE

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    ^ 100% Agree.
     
  16. nyctony

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    Little update picked up a precision billet bb 7675.

    Boost can in faster and harder and my precision 46mm wastegate couldn't keep up. So I added another and got rock solid boost. Now at 11psi it put down 495/441 on a mustang dyno.here's the graph. On 6psi it made 415rwhp.

    Before the change it put down 450/450 at 9psi on a mustang dyno different shop.
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