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How do I calculate decompression plate thickness?

Discussion in 'Turbo Tech Questions' started by rubbersdown, Apr 15, 2013.

  1. rubbersdown

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    Like the title says, how do i calculate how thick of a decompression plate I need to get my desired compression ratio? Also, are there any companies in the USA that will custom make one if I send them a head gasket as a template? I need to go from the stock 11.5:1 to around 9.5:1 on my cbr954rr.
     
  2. PrecisionTurboMustang

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    I am pretty sure cometic will make anything. I have seen people buy multiple mls hesdgaskets and take the shims out of them and stack them to lower compression on apps where custom stuff was too expensive.
     
  3. rubbersdown

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    Could be a viable option, looking at their website customs section it looks like they will make aluminum spacers as well so that should do the trick. Any Idea how I would calculate how thick I would need the spacer to get my desired cr?
     
  4. PrecisionTurboMustang

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  5. rubbersdown

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    Well I calculated it up and what I come up with is that I need a 1mm spacer (is that about a normal thickness spacer?) to take me from 11.5:1 to right around 9.5:1. Do you think it would be best to use a 1mm spacer or see if they can make a 1mm thicker head gasket? The stock head gasket is right around 1mm thick so if I did use a spacer I would not be bale to run a head gasket on top of it, which I hear a lot of guys dont and just use a rvt type sealant.

    EDIT: well sense I only need an extra mm it looks like cometic offers an mls gasket in .07" thickness which should put me at 9.6:1 which will work for me so looks like that will be the best way to go?
     
  6. xr8tt

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    Depending on heads.. You could unshroud valves a little too..
     
  7. Mnlx

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    A bit off topic, and It may not be an issue, but another thing to check is cam timing after adding shims....
     
  8. PrecisionTurboMustang

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    Shit, that's right on topic. This is true, although normally a very small amount. I would want to calculate this too. Do you already have adjustable cam gears?
     
  9. rubbersdown

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    I do not have adjustable cam gears, does 1mm of extra thickness throw it off that much? If so I can buy a set of adjustable cam gears, they are cheap for this bike, like $50 for both, def not going to make or break the build lol.
     
  10. Disney Lincoln

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    It will advance the cams a bit. You might try it as is and see if you like it or not. I milled .050" off of the head of my race car and it seemed to like the retarded timing, but it's NA and I needed more top end. Your bike might like a little more low end.
     
  11. rubbersdown

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    Yah I could use the low end pickup anyway sense im probably not going to see boost till 4-5k rpm sense my bike red lines around 13,000.
     
  12. PrecisionTurboMustang

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    on a 2.0 4cy .100 is hardly noticable on the butt dyno from my past projects. I was trying for the highest compression possible so had the head milled as far as the machine shop would go. But I also gained power from the higher compression so who knows.
     
  13. Mnlx

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    I never actually checked it, but my thinking is the smaller the diameter of the cam gear, the more it would change. Although probably not enough to make a difference.
     
  14. rubbersdown

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    true but it should move less being a twin cam I would think sense the chain wraps over both cams
     
  15. PrecisionTurboMustang

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    I'm trying to wrap my brain around that and got a headache lol.
     
  16. rubbersdown

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    lol, the larger the sprocket the less change 1mm will make. Sense the 1 chain wraps around 2 sprockets it in essence is like its one big sprocket so the change should be less.
     
  17. stangman9897

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    Won't this make the cam chain also tighter ? or is there a tensioner on it.
     
  18. rubbersdown

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    There is an automatic tensioner on it. Should be fine with a 1mm rise.
     
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