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Conrod strength in turbo application

Discussion in 'Turbo Tech Questions' started by TK, Jan 15, 2008.

  1. TK

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    I'm a Australian newb here so go easy!

    I'm currently running a 383 holden (for all intents & purposes think 383 sbc) with a pair of hi-flowed VG30 nissan T3's.

    The oportunity has come up to possibly score a pair of garret GT35's dirt cheap - which is all well & good & will make a bunch more power than I've got now, but strength of the conrods may become an issue.

    Rods are Scat I beam 5.7" with 3/8 arp capscrews & bushed small ends - just you're basic budget steel rods.
    Rev's will be kept under 6500rpm.
    I'm looking to make around the 800hp mark with the new turbos - after that the integrity of the mains & crank may become an issue, so I'll leave it at that for a while.

    Has anyone used the basic scat rods in a similar application?
    If so, any failures?

    I wouldn't even think about using these rods in a high rpm NA application, but with conservative revs I think they'd stand a better chance - but I'd rather know someone else has been there & proven their strength before I risk my motor with them.

    Cheers for any input guys, I gained a lot of insight into twin turbo setups from here while I was doing the original build.

    TK
     
  2. fastranger347

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    Apr 12, 2007
    you'll rip the main caps out before you will hurt those rods
     
  3. TK

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    Jan 14, 2008
    I can keep the mains in the block - the ol holdens are a bit tougher than a 2-bolt chev in the mains department.

    Have you used those rods in a turbo motor? - shoulda mentioned, they are chev rods.

    Looking good so far, thanks.
     
  4. wanabie

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    Nov 21, 2007
    your fine, of the power adders the turbo's put less stress on parts. i have put 300hp nos through those rods before with a good bolt. l-19 or 2000 arp's will get it done. the block should be fine but with all that said the tune is were you live or dye.
     
  5. TK

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    Jan 14, 2008
    Cheers guys, I'll bung them back in & call it good.

    Tune is no prob, it's injected & a good mate of mine is a well respected efi tuner + I know about 3 guys with dyno's.
    I prefer to run a conservative tune anyway - potentially grenading an engine for a few hp doesn't make a lot of sense.
     
  6. Robert1320

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    Jun 20, 2005
    It's a Chevy not a Phord. With a little prep 900 is just fine in a SBC.


    The difference in most rods are the rod bolt. I am not a fan of the I-beam.
     
  7. TK

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    Jan 14, 2008
    Nah, it's not a chev, it's a holden - you guys wouldn't have ever seen one, australia only, never made anywhere else.
    They are similar in layout to a sbc & we often stick chev bits in them but they are a completely different motor.
    Actually, this one even has a cut & shut 400 chev crank, chev type rods & chev type pistons to take it out to 383 - they start out life with 308 cubes.
    Guys over here have pushed factory blocks up to 1500HP - but they don't last real long at that sort of output.

    I'm not really a fan of I-beams either - but I've got them, so they are infinitely cheaper than a set of H-beams so long as they stay the correct shape.
     
  8. Robert1320

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    You are very correct about the Holden. I think you have about the same limit.
    1000 hp and it should last forever (with a good tune).

    IT is easier & cheaper to do it right once than twice............ :cheers:
     
  9. TK

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    Jan 14, 2008
    I've already done it twice!
    I used cheaper pistons than I should have first up - only because I had a break in my customer workload & wanted to get the donk built in that time, good slugs were nil stock for the whole country, so I would have had to wait 2 weeks for them to arrive, by which time I'd have lost the oportunity to get it done quickly - so I used cheaper, more readily available pistons & promptly smashed some ring lands & trashed a bore.
    I hindsight I should have waited for decent slugs, but thems the breaks.

    I don't want to break it again, but I'm financially tapped out & getting real sick of riding my bike (the TT is my daily work truck) - if I can be convinced 95% that they'll be fine for 800hp & 6500rpm then I'll use them, if not I'll wait & fork out for H-beams, or bung it back together with the I-beams & stick with the smaller turbs for a while.
     
  10. Robert1320

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    RPM is fine I might worry about hp...
     
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