1. The Turbo Forums - The discussion board for both hard core and beginner turbocharged vehicle enthusiasts. Covering everything from stock turbocharger cars, seriously fast drag racers, boats, motorcycles, and daily driver modified turbo cars and trucks.
    To start posting in our forums, and comment on articles and blogs please

    IF YOU ARE AN EXISTING MEMBER: You can retrieve your a password for your account here: click here.

Upcoming TTF Turbo Project Vehicle

Discussion in 'The Turbo "Builds" Board' started by TTF/Ken, Apr 8, 2013.

  1. TTF/Ken Staff Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2011
    Next weekend I'm picking up a vehicle which will be used as TTF's first budget/sleeper turbo project vehicle (first since I got here, not first since the site started). It's not the best platform for a turbo build, or a common one, but I can't pass up the deal:

    A friend has a 1996 Ford Explorer Sport:

    1. Manual transmission
    2. 4.0L DOHC V6
    3. 120,000 miles on the odometer
    4. Never been in an accident, no dents, etc.
    5. $200!

    Basically, a friend has driven this thing for years. He was taking care of his elderly mother for quite some time and driving her Mercedes, so he parked the Explorer for a long time. Now he just wants it gone. The Explorer's injectors are all clogged up, it'll barely idle and needs some basic R&R (injectors, fuel filter, oil change, spark plugs, air filter, new hoses/belts, etc). But mechanically it's sound. Its too good an offer to pass up -- he gets rid of something just sitting in his driveway and I get a project vehicle which my daughter can also drive until she's done with her university degree. For $200 and an 8 hour round trip with the trailer I have a "new" project. :)

    I welcome user suggestions and ideas for the project. Also, sponsors are welcome to get in touch with me concerning parts for it. Articles will be written about installation, tuning, etc. of both sponsored and non-sponsored parts and featured prominently on the home page (and the appropriate article sub-section).
     
  2. 99TTGT

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2007
    cool.!
     
  3. Gen1SVE

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2006
    Ultimate sleeper would have been a 4 door with Awd 302/4r70W, Dart 331, highports, converter, Valvebody with brake, turbo and fuel system. Keep the stock tires and wheels, no idea how the drive train would hold up.

    With what you have, I dont think the 32v mod motor will be a easy swap, but a 2 valve 4.6 with good heads, turbo, fuel, standalone.

    JMHO
     
  4. TTF/Ken Staff Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2011
    This will be a sleeper in the sense that not many are going to expect a college aged girl in an Explorer be sporting a turbo under the hood. I know it won't be terribly quick but it'll be much better than the stock 4.0L. Because my daughter's gonna drive it I can't have any downtime so the stock engine stays in. I'm going to write a tune to limit it a bit when she's driving it - she doesn't have a great track record with vehicles, lol.

    Next year when she graduates and is in the work force (already has a job waiting for her) she plans to buy a car and I can take it off the road for a long term build to get it to be the vehicle *I want*. In the meantime I'm going to shop around for a 3-valve or 4-valve 4.6L I can put on the engine stand and take my time building it strong as hell. Plus a strong transmission as well. I'm going to document that build as well.

    I've tuned a lot of customer vehicles which were turbo'd in the past, as well as supercharged. Plus my F150 is supercharged. This will be the first turbo build I've done for myself.
     
  5. PrecisionTurboMustang

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2006
    I thought the 4.0 was a pushrod motor?

    - - - Updated - - -


    Either way cool project!
     
  6. TTF/Ken Staff Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2011
    He's supposed to call me with the VIN later today so I'll have more info. Doing some quick research just now found out if its a 1996 its OHV, not SOHC. Also, it may be a 1997, don't know until I talk to him again today. If it's a 1997 then it could be OHV or SOHC. Fingers crossed that its a 1997 with SOHC! I only talked to him for about 5 minutes last night about it so my info now is sketchy but I did ask him to get me the VIN so I'll know what's in it (I'm going to pre-order parts later today so they'll be here by the time I pick up the Explorer).
     
  7. bgjohnson

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2004
    I'd rather have the OHV. The SOHC has timing chain , guides and tensioner problems. They use balance shafts which are driven off the back of the cams. So to fix it completely, you gotta pull the engine.

    The SOHC will take boost better and has side bolt mains. The OHV has more head gasket issues.

    But most engines can handle 6-8psi.

    But the most important thing I would do first, lower it. Those trucks are so easy to roll, give it another 80-100 hp and that's just asking for problems. Specially for a young girl.
     
  8. TTF/Ken Staff Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2011
    Yeah, its gonna be lowered as well as upgrading the sway bar and putting Bilstein shocks on it, and some good tires.

    Just got off the phone and he gave me a VIN. Its neither a 96 or 97, its a 1998. It has the OHV 4.0L (X in the 8th digit of the VIN). Probably going to need to do lubrication system upgrades based on what I've read about this engine, and take a look at something better for the head gaskets. Not going to do any mods I can't reasonably get done in a single day (Saturday, which gives me Sunday "just in case") since she has to be able to drive it Monday-Friday.
     
  9. bgjohnson

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2004
    I think the 98 have better flowing heads than previous years, but I'm not sure.
     
  10. Kerrdogg

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2003
    I would do an under body "Midmount' setup, we are in for a 3" front mount intercooler and sillycone couplers for you.
     
  11. BlownShovel

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2003
    Add smallish turbo -- go for tq, enjoy the ride. I almost bought one before running into a different deal last summer---
     
  12. jaredsamurai

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2007
    I agree with kerdogg/blownshovel. My buddy built a 2000ish stocker 5.0 explorer and midmounted it with a smallish turbo, 8-9psi of boosts and conservative tune and that pig went low 14's with ease. Surprised allot of people cause it looked stock. I believe it was some t04e with tiny everything. With the auto it was instant boost. Was prolly off the map by 5000rpm but nobody cared cause he was runnning an A/W intercooler in the fender. Very sleepy looking
     
  13. TTF/Ken Staff Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2011
    It took a couple of weeks longer to make arrangements to go pick it up, but I finally managed to get it here yesterday.

    The ordeal:

    - Get there and one tire on his Explorer is flat. I pump that up with an electric pump.

    - Back the trailer in, and I don't have enough room (had a good idea before I started that could be a problem). My diesel is sticking out blocking the road in both directions.

    - Pull my trailer into the street, unhitch the trailer, go back to his Explorer, put wheel chocks behind the wheels and put it in neutral. Go back to my truck, use it to push the Explorer as far up the driveway as it can go.

    - Hitch the trailer back up, back into his driveway but there is not enough width in the drive way to maneuver the trailer around to get it line up with the Explorer - and I'm pretty darned good at maneuvering it. Problem was I couldn't really take the time to do it, his house is right next to a busy road and cars are pulling into his street all the time, so I have maybe 30-60 seconds of maneuvering time at best without risking it getting hit.

    - ^^^^That part worked out for the best actually, because the Explorer would have been backwards on the trailer, and it would be very hard to get proper weight distribution.

    - Pull the trailer back out into the street, unhitch it. Pull my truck into his driveway, hitch up a tow strap and wait for him to get home. Call him and he says he'll be there in an hour. Two hours later he shows up, its hot as hell and my A/C switch in the truck is broken (picked up a new one Thursday but hadn't gotten a chance to install it). So needless to say at this point I'm sweaty and in a sour mood.

    - Start to tow the Explorer with him steering to a point where we can roll it up onto the trailer. Mind you we're having to pull it backwards. I don't know what the hell he was thinking but at some point he smacked the brakes, the tow strap went taught then strung back like a rubber band, slamming his Explorer into the Powerstroke. I was ready to blow a cork at this point.

    - Get the come-along I purchased before the trip, rated at 6000lbs (Explorer is 4700 lbs). Cranked the Explorer up maybe 1 and a half feet up the ramps and the steel cable starts to fray... really obvious it'll snap trying to pull it up the rest of the way. Pretty pissed at that POS and will be returning it to Tractor Supply tomorrow. By this time I'm ready to ask God "why me?" If you're wondering why I had a come-along instead of a winch on the trailer... prior to this the trailer has always been used to load running vehicles.

    - So now we're left with the one thing I didn't want to do and breaks the rules about loading a trailer: use my diesel with a tow strap to pull it onto the trailer, with no vehicle connected to the trailer to keep it from moving. 4 huge wheel chocks... but I had visions of the trailer climbing over them, the front end going up and an Explorer laying on it's side in the street. We took our time, did things very slowly and managed to get it up on the trailer.

    - Strap down the Explorer. I have two straps rated at 20,000lbs each (they about 5 inches wide) on the front of the Explorer, one on the back, plus a 2,500lb strap on each corner.

    - He lives a mile away from the interstate and everything is fine until I get on the Interstate. The moment I get over 30 mph it's was obvious to me that this wasn't going to turn out so good and I needed to exit ASAP. Why? Because it became apparent that in 15 years my friend had never replaced the shocks on it! Every ripple in the road was causing the Explorer's body to bounce so violently it rocked the F250 and trailer.

    - Its rush hour, and I tried for 4 damn exits to get over and off the interstate because I knew there was a Home Depot/Lowes not far from these exits. Not a single person would let me over, I had to go 15+ miles with this death trap driving like a grandma with every a-hole in metro Atlanta thinking it was their job to cut me off to show me their displeasure for my slow driving.

    - If you've ever been on I-285 in rush hour, you'll understand me when I say pulling onto the shoulder would be more dangerous than trying to exit.

    - Finally manage to get to a Home Depot. One of the smaller straps had actually snapped and one the other small hooks had come unhooked from the bouncing. The huge straps would have insured it couldn't come off the trailer, but the problem was the bouncing... one wrong move and the Explorer might have pulled the trailer onto it's side.

    - I buy several LARGE straps and completely compress the Explorer's suspension so it could not bounce. Go a few exits, pull over check the new straps, they all stretched about a half inch or so which is normal for new straps, tighten them up, and I'm on my way (finally) at freeway speeds). I stop a couple of additional times to check everything, and its fine so it's a nice speed limit drive the rest of the way.

    So:

    - 3.5 hours going out there.
    - What should have been 30 minutes to load it turned into 3.5 hours.
    - 3.5 hour trip back turned into nearly 6.

    I have hauled cars many times, and towed as much as 11,000 lbs plus the weight of a 19ft dual axle trailer... and never had I had such a nightmarish scenario. First time I was honestly frightened with a load, but I've been doing this long enough to know you have to fix a sub-par situation - not try to struggle along and "make it there." Fix the situation, then haul. I have to take some blame here... I've never hauled a vehicle with shot shocks, so it never occurred to me to check them before loading the Explorer. Lesson learned.

    BTW... picking up a winch tomorrow!
     
  14. Silver03gt

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2012
    That sounded like a rough time. Glad to see it all worked out though.
     
  15. bgjohnson

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2004
    Wow man, sounds like a terrible day.
     
  16. STERLING351

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2011
    Those little 4.0 can take some abuse. My buddy had one in his explorer that met the rev limiter 5x a day for 130,000 miles before he flipped it. I like the odd engines for the sleeper. If you are looking for a cobra motor i have one sitting on a stand right now, ly have it posted on craigslist locally. Pm me if your interested.
     
  17. TTF/Ken Staff Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2011
    Sterling351, really wish I could take you up on the offer of the engine, but first I need to spend a couple weekends going over this thing to see what needs to be addressed concerning what regular maintenance items were or were not done. Basically, after seeing the condition of the shocks, I'm going to give this thing a complete going over replacing all the short term and long term maintenance items, because I'm willing to bet he rarely went further than regular oil changes. He was good about oil changes, but knows next to nothing about vehicles so I doubt he did a lot maintenance wise.

    I plan on documenting pretty much everything about this for the site (not BS items like "here's how to change the wiper blades", lol). It's a mess, the interior is full of trash (and that's after he cleaned it out, he's a pack rat and it was loaded to the ceiling with stuff before I headed out there!). The exterior, it honestly looks like he has never washed it.... its covered in layers of pollen which got wet often enough to stick it like glue, but I did clean one small spot and the underlying paint is in very good shape. So I'm going to have my hands full getting it road ready before I can consider swapping out the engine.

    My eventual plans do include a modular engine swap. Before I do that I'm going to get drop keys and lower it a couple of inches. Problem with that is I've read that using drop keys actually softens up the front suspension so I'll need to address that as well. Don't want a powerhouse under the hood until I'm confident it won't easily roll over, lol.
     
  18. STERLING351

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2011
    totally understand im in no real hurry, waiting for enough free time to build my new 351 for the mach 1 again. But those 4.0 are hated by alot of people because they are under powered, but thats easily fixed from my experience with them they seem to do a good job and sure wont be a badass race motor but your just going for the sleeper/surprise effect so it will do fine.
     
  19. turbo cat

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2007
    I had a 91 exploder that I put a small T3 turbo on years ago. Stout lil motor for boost. Motor never faulted. Truck finally got parted when I was done with it.
     
  20. Disney Lincoln

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2003
    Glad you got home safe! Sounds like a cluster fuck from the get go.

    I have a winch mounted on my trailer because I know everything I own is a POS and will likely break down. I also have a large ammo can that I keep straps (proper vehicle straps), coma along, tow strap, smaller straps, and bungees in. I can haul any of my broke down junk with this system!
     
Loading...
Similar Topics - Upcoming TTF Turbo Forum Date
'90 Mustang S400 Bracket Car? (Finished !! Thanks TTF!!!) The Turbo "Builds" Board Feb 21, 2009
Loading...