Stock Block Chronicles

Discussion in 'Misc Articles' started by TTF/Ken, Nov 21, 2012.

By TTF/Ken on Nov 21, 2012 at 10:06 AM
  1. TTF/Ken Staff Member

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    We will use this page to document the successes and imminent failures of the factory Ford 5.0L production block. It seems to us at TheTurboForums.com that putting in a nice set of rods and crank into a factory block is a waste of money because the block will usually fail well before the stock internals will. Just use the stock junk with a good balancing job and then save your money on the aftermarket crank and rods and buy a Dart or R302 block, then stuff that with aftermarket stuff, don't forget to harvest your money tree often.

    Q: How much power can the stock block handle?
    A: There are several answers to this, do you want a combo you never have to worry about, a semi-reliable combo, or a time-bomb / glory machine? For a reliable setup 450 rwhp seems to be the limit, anything above that and you are asking for trouble. For a glory pass the stock blocks on TheTurboForums.com have seen 600 rwhp. You must also take into account RPM. Most guys on TheTurboForums.com keep their turbo combos below 6000 rpm. But if you are making 500 rwhp and revving to 7000 rpm it is a safe bet you will crack before the 6000 rpm 550 rwhp guy.

    Q: What happens when the block fail due to excessive power?
    A: Typically the block splits right down the middle starting at the threaded bolt holes in the main webs (where main bolts thread in) and work their way upwards towards the cam bearings and ultimately end in the lifter valley

    Q: Will a main stud girdle help keep the block from breaking?
    A: Ha, ha, no. All it will is hold all the parts together in a tidy pile. Some of the failures pictured below were equipped with stud girdles.

    Q: Is it possible to have a cracked block and not know it? Like the motor still runs fine with no noises.
    A: Yes, in some cases where the block has not cracked completely, the only thing you may notice is a drop in oil pressure (assuming you have an oil pressure gauge).

    Q: Should I turbocharge my stock 93+ short block, ie: won't the hypereutectic pistons break?
    You can absolutely turbocharge a hyper-piston engine. In fact 2 of the combos below had hyper pistons and the pistons were fine when the block split in half. It all comes down to the tune. I also have a friend who sprayed a 150 shot on his 93 GT for many years and ran 11.0's all day and NEVER had a piston failure.

    Q: Can I crack a Dart, R302 or A4 block? ie: How much power can they handle?
    A: None of the experienced racers on TheTurboForums.com have seen any of the above blocks break. The blocks in question have seen up to 1600 hp and beyond.

    Stock block carnage: We are assuming the failures below were due to power alone. Thus we are assuming that the tune was good, the car wasn't detonating or running lean. This is a fairly safe assumption because if these engines were detonating the pistons would likely be in many different pieces. :)

    "BarryD"

    HCI on a stock shortblock (HYPEREUTECTIC PISTONS)
    Equipped with a DSS main stud girdle
    -18-20psi of boost (with the exception of one failure at 26-27psi)
    10.30's @ 136-137 mph in ~3400# car
    approx 620 rwhp at time of failure
    lasted 75-100 track passes, 10,000 street miles with a MINIMUM of 530 RWHP, and hundreds and hundreds of "street passes"
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    "Enginered" Stock shortblock (crank, rods, hyper pistons, cam)
    Equipped with a Probe main stud girdle
    Twisted Wedge heads, 1.7 RRs
    GT40 intake (ported)
    Twin T4's (60-1 hifi)
    36lb. injectors (48 psi base fuel pressure) 255 lph in-tank pump with stock lines/rails
    No FMU
    EEC Tuner to set timing (22 deg. total at WOT)
    3300 lb. car
    10-12 psi boost
    C4 with 3000 rpm stall and transbrake
    10.30's to 10.50's at 125/128 mph
    20,000 street miles/about 100 passes

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    Steve Gould (58Capri)

    HCI, carbed 306, 5speed, 6400 rpm
    "125 shot" of nitrous
    Approx 480 rwhp
    10.50's @ 128-131 mph @ 2900#'s
    Lasted a full season of racing, 80 passes down the strip. ZERO street miles.

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    "Hosss331"
    My first one split about 2 years ago, and my second split about a year ago. My second one does not really count as it froze and split the deck and 3 cylinders. I never got to take it to the track, only run it on the street for about 6-7 months. It dynoed 420 rwhp and 412 rwtq with a s-trim at 6psi and 10.8 AFR. I dont remember the motor ever detonating it just went out with a big bang.
    factory shortblock
    home ported TWs w/ 1.6r
    RPM intake
    Lunati cam 51025
    Vortech S-trim @ 6psi (3.6 pulley)
    6:1 FMU with 30lb injectors 255lph
    3300-3400 lbs

    "Silver93notch"
    6-71 Blower
    25 psi
    10:1 compression
    6500 rpms max
    T5
    4.86's
    Split in half
     

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