Catch as Catch Can - Oil Separators 101

Discussion in 'Drivetrain, Engine and Transmission Articles' started by TTF/Ken, Apr 6, 2015.

By TTF/Ken on Apr 6, 2015 at 12:00 PM
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    catch-can.jpg Catch cans and oil separators are simple devices designed to fight the potentially harmful effects of engine blow-by and sludge. Blow-by is the process of air, moisture and fuel being forced past the piston rings into the crankcase during the compression and power strokes of an internal combustion engine.<br>
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    The higher pressure within the combustion chamber during operation naturally forces some air past the piston rings and into the crankcase. Older engines and those that have not been properly maintained are particularly susceptible to the effects of blow-by because their piston rings and cylinder walls are worn, and have lost some of their sealing ability. Engines with higher compression ratios, such as those with forced induction, are also more vulnerable to blow-by gases. Blow-by increases the pressure within the crankcase, causing gaskets to fail and leaks to develop. In addition, the hot gases contain unburned fuel and moisture that can mix with the engine oil and cause the formation of sludge. This sludge can interfere with the proper operation of the engine and can cause damage. In extreme cases, sludge can even cause an engine to seize.<br>
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    The standard solution to sludge formation and crankcase pressure is venting the crankcase through the use of a Positive Crankcase Ventilation (PCV) valve. The PCV valve typically consists of a vacuum-operated valve that routes the air in the crankcase back into the air intake, allowing the unburned fuel contained in the air to be burned in another combustion cycle. A breather, usually located at the opposite side of the engine, allows for the introduction of fresh air that helps move blow-by air from the crankcase into the PCV valve. However, the system has a drawback: The recycled air also contains minute amounts of oil from the crankcase.<br>
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    Oil is a lubricant, not a fuel. In fact, oil reduces the octane of whatever fuel it is mixed with. Since octane is a measure of a fuel's resistance to detonation, so it goes without mention that the more oil is in your fuel/air mixture, the more likely it is that your engine will suffer from damaging detonation. This is in addition to the damage caused by oil deposits coating the fuel injectors, spark plugs and even your intercooler, if your engine is equipped with one. The carbon deposits left behind by oil can contain flammable molecules of unburned fuel that could detonate as well. Because supercharged and turbocharged engines are extremely susceptible to damage from detonation, these engines stand to benefit much more from catch cans and oil separators than stock engines. <br>
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    Both catch cans and oil separators serve basically the same function, but a catch can simply removes oil from the air, so it will need to be emptied periodically. An oil separator, on the other hand, returns the captured oil to the crankcase after it is isolated from the intake air system.<br>
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    There are 2 types of catch cans available, sealed and breather-style. High-performance vehicles, such as those equipped with forced induction, generate higher cylinder pressures. This means more blow-by gases and higher air pressure within the crankcase. As previously noted, the increased pressure can cause leaks, but it also effectively resists the movement of the pistons. This resistance generates unwanted heat and requires force to overcome, force that never makes it to the street. Thus, by venting the crankcase pressure directly into the atmosphere, a breather-style catch can will probably lead to an increase in performance over a sealed system while still catching the harmful sludge.<br>
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    But because a breather-style system vents hydrocarbons into the atmosphere rather than re-burning them, it harms the environment as well as your fuel economy rating. As a result, breather-style cans are illegal for street use in many states. On the other hand, a sealed-type catch can returns the air to the intake air stream, keeping both your wallet and the EPA happy.<br>
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    Oil separators differ from catch cans in that they don't 'catch' much oil at all. After separating the two, the oil is returned to the crankcase and the air is returned to the intake air supply. *<br>
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    *Note, there are DIY solutions which air compressor air/water or air/oil separators. DIY installers typically call these underhood setups "oil separators" though technically they are a sealed catch can solution, unless they have an automatic oil drain back mechanism. Some DIY setups are fashioned to return oil via the oil dipstick tube.<br>
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Discussion in 'Drivetrain, Engine and Transmission Articles' started by TTF/Ken, Apr 6, 2015.

    1. Tuner Boost
      Tuner Boost
      Would like to add to this, especially with a forced induction application where the intake manifold becomes pressurized with boost such as with a Turbo or Centrifugal SC application. The crankcase relies on the vacuum generated in the intake manifold for evacuation suction, and with most turbo builds, this is only present during idle and deceleration providing almost no evacuation to remove the contaminant laden vapors from the crankcase and this allows them time to settle and mix with the engine oil accelerating wear and eventual failure. So it is critical to use a system that provides full time evacuation suction. The best is a belt driven vacuum pump system, but they will not last long on the street. They are the most effective though. Next, you must maintain a "fresh/clean air into one bank of the engine, and foul/dirty vapors being evacuated out the opposite as this clears the crankcase of most all the contaminants. When this flow is broken, or a breather/vent is used, then the steadily entering damaging compounds are left in the crankcase and also pressure is greater in the crankcase than can be vented.

      Further, as the piston rings rely on pressure above, and suction below to maintain proper stability, if a constant evacuation system is not used piston rings experience "Ring Flutter" that compounds the blow-by issue and results in even more problems over time.

      Here is how the Turbonetics Engineers determined is the only proper way to accomplish this without a belt drive vacuum pump system:

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      [​IMG] As you can see, this type of system uses the intake manifold vacuum for evacuation suction when in non-boost operation, and when pressure is detected the primary checkvalve closes, and the secondary one opens switching to the suction created from the Venturi effect of incoming air passing a fitting installed into the turbo inlet. The check valves will automatically default to the strongest suction source no matter the operating mode providing full time evacuation and preventing any boost from entering the crankcase. Here is a picture of a twin turbo LS based build to show more:
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      So you would never want to use a can with a breather on it, as that is breaking the evacuation cycle leaving the contaminants in the crankcase, and also allows pressure to build and be pushed out which is never proper. That technology went out with the 1980's.

      Can share tons of technical data as well if more detail is needed. Just ask.
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    2. Mwhitfi2
      Mwhitfi2



      Was wondering if you could hook me up with some of that info on that setup from you. any kits availabe for something like that? Thanks!
    3. malibuguy
      malibuguy
      What should one do for an inline engine?
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