Has anybody messed with the boost control or traction control much? Does the boost control work as well as, say, an ams1000? How about the traction control? Is it like the stock traction control that just 100% kills power or is it actually a useful feature in getting a traction limited car down track? I'm pretty familiar with the rest of the system, just don't see much talk about these two things. If the boost control is up to par, I could save quite a bit of money by going with the standalone over hptuners.

 

The traction control for the Holley is sold through Davis Technologies
http://www.moretraction.com/Products_Drag_EFI.htm

The boost control seems to work pretty well. There are lots of options to make it work how you want.

 

The boost control works extremely well if tuned properly. It's not something you throw solenoids at and go...there's some work involved to make it dead on. Not terribly difficult though.

As Brian pointed out...the traction control was developed with Shannon...best there is on the market. Many ways to kill power and again...there's tuning involved to make it spot on as well.

 

That's great news. I was already 99% sold on it but that puts it over the top. I don't care how much work is required to get it perfect as long as it's possible.

 

Myself and 64duece have been running the boost control for some time now, himself longer than I have. I was a beta tester for him for the boost control and have been using it for over 2 years now with his hands on help. I have watched it evolve with extra features that are actually usable, not filler material that you will never use. As 64duece stated, it is a little more complicated than bolting on and going, but once you get it dialed man look out. It is very repeatable and with the all the available data logging selections it makes it hard to beat for an all around ecu. I have a traction control device available for me to use, but honestly as much as I want to try it I am afraid it will take some of the fun out of it.

Anthony

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Btw, check out my build thread there may be some helpful information in there for you.

 

Very helpful, guys. Anthony, I'll definitely look at your thread but I'm on my phone at the moment and it's a bit of a pain. What method are you using for boost control? I'm really wanting to go speed based since I plan to street drive a lot and haven't had much luck getting time based controllers to work from a roll. I definitely see where you're coming from on the traction control. I've never messed with traction control of any kind so I may or may not even use it, just seems like a cool option to have. The car is 4-linked on 31x10.5w's but it may end up on 315-60's so I doubt it will even be necessary to have more than the boost controller on the street. Basically, I'm just going overkill on everything until I get a real motor in the car.

 

Are you guys running the Dominator ?

 

I believe Anthony was running the HP until recent and is switching over to the dominator this winter. Remember just a ECU change, not a complete harness and ECU swap. Pretty cool stuff.

 

Mike, you are right I am running the hp, wasn't a big deal as I already have what I need, just wanted some more I/o, but don't know if it will happen, it was on my list but not at the top. As you stated, it can literally be done in a few minutes, ecu swap, although you have 2 extra plugs for all the extra I/o, if you are doing it from the start, don't let the price difference cloud your decision.

Dave, either ecu will work but the boost control ties up quite a few I/o, but you still have enough left for a few accessories, but if you want dbw and traction control with nitrous on top of boost control, as well as log a bunch of stuff, get the dominator. I run the dis ignition, boost control as well as dual fuel pump control. Believe it or not Dave, guys are buying the ecu's for straight up data logging and boost/timing control, remember it doesn't HAVE to control fuel!!! It is cheaper than a racepak, AND if you ever get tired of the carb, all you need is the rest of the fuel system and you are up and runing!! You didn't hear this from me though, lol, I have just heard of guys doing it

To sum this up for you guys, think about this, you pay for the ecu, get 2 solenoids (or one if your choose) and voila, you now have an ams 1000 for under $200!

Mother touch screen is great for gauges and things and has worked just fine, and is great for small changes, but forget big ones, make sure you keep your laptop with you. If any of you have any questions please pm me and I will point you in the right direction. We have 3+ years of experience with these ecu's.

Anthony

 

I thought the Dominator was only like $ 200 more than the other Holley EFI boxes .

I dont even use boost control other than just putting pressure on the gate for max boost . So thats not even important .

So what does it data log , and do all the Holley EFI boxes log data ?

 

All the boxes data log, you can use it for timing control, traction control, you name it. The data logging is very robust. My car for example, we have, time, boost, dome pressure, dome calc, actual boost, co2 pressure, iat, boost pre and post intercooler, timin, fuel in pph, iac, tps, map, increase/decrease solenoids, ect, rpm, o2, transbrake engage/release, boost curve, fuel pressure, you name it we got it. The dominator just allows you to log sensors outside of the standard sensors with all the available i/o the possibilities are endless. Shoot me a pm and I will point you in the right direction if you are interested in doing this. I have a person who has set a couple of cars up like this.

i think the price difference is more around $400, which I should have just coughed up at the start.

Anthony

 

Also forgot to mention, the logging has seperate categories, like drag race tuning, accel tuning, idle tuning, boost tuning, all seperate, but log the appropriate parameters automatically so you get the information you need.

 

man . it is tempting , but I'm not even close to wanting to put more money into this thing ......lol

If I get a wild hair I will let you know .

Not sure how much further I would even want to go if the thing breaks into the 8's this winter . I mean its really not meant to do what its doing now . Its kinda at its limit ( being a truck )

 

Dominator is $700 more than the HP but does way more stuff. Boost control can be gear based, time based, rpm based or speed.
The logging is pretty cool and can either be triggered or just log all the time.

 

What does the dominator do that the hp doesn't? I thought the hp could do speed based boost control? I'm not sure how many i/o I need yet. I obviously want to take the cheapest route possible but not at the expense of stuff I need. I can't see this car going past 700whp or so but who knows. Is the touch screen a viable replacement for gauges? It would be great to not have 10 gauges scattered across the dash.

 

Way more inputs and outputs. With the HP you are limited to 4 inputs and 4 outputs. So if you want a toggle to arm the data logger then that is one, a rev limit switch is one ect.. The Dominator has something like 60, plus you can set up what they are like PWM + or -, ground trigger, rpm ect..

The Dominator also does drive by wire. dual wideband with correction off of each bank. There are quite a few things that it will do over the HP. For a driver street car the HP is great but if you want some of the logging features or extra stuff the Dominator does way more.

 

The Dominator was really designed as a "vehicle management system" which covers engine/trans/drive by wire/full vehicle datalogger. The HP for most users gets the job done as the fuel/timing and a basic function or two can be added ex. (efan/boost) and a few external channels added ex. (shaft speed). When the Dominator is selected, we incorporate it into every aspect of the vehicle for both control as well as logging.

 

Well, that complicates things lol. I probably don't need the dominator BUT it definitely wouldn't hurt. How well does the touch screen work for gauges?

 

Very well!

Anthony